Trevor Shackles: Absolutely No Foresight in Turris for Duchene Trade Ottawa had no foresight when they acquired Matt Duchene

Patrick Laine might be in play if the jets can sign Mark Stone..

Interesting...

I guess a large part of how people react to this situation has more to do with their expectations from the beginning of the season.

I have never believed the Sens would resign any of Stone, Duchene, Dzingle or Ceci.

The slippery Melnyk actually made a mistake in his Borowiecki interview when he broke down and in a moment of weakness he actually told the truth. Specifically, up to 15 players will be gone from the starting roster.

For me, this has always been about ownership in general and LeBreton in particular. If you are surprised by any of this, perhaps you were not paying attention.

If you are a potential buyer of the Sens, you just love the books and the fact that there are no long term contingent liabilities that need be assumed on the transfer of ownership.

To suggest the Sens have not planned well or outcomes are different than expected is nonsense. Everything was calculated, including wanting to dupe fans into believing they really wanted to keep Methot, Turris, Karlsson, Zibanejad, Brassard, Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Dzingle and Ceci as well as some others that have drifted away.

I guess a large part of how people react to this situation has more to do with their expectations from the beginning of the season.

I have never believed the Sens would resign any of Stone, Duchene, Dzingle or Ceci.

The slippery Melnyk actually made a mistake in his Borowiecki interview when he broke down and in a moment of weakness he actually told the truth. Specifically, up to 15 players will be gone from the starting roster.

For me, this has always been about ownership in general and LeBreton in particular. If you are surprised by any of this, perhaps you were not paying attention.

If you are a potential buyer of the Sens, you just love the books and the fact that there are no long term contingent liabilities that need be assumed on the transfer of ownership.

To suggest the Sens have not planned well or outcomes are different than expected is nonsense. Everything was calculated, including wanting to dupe fans into believing they really wanted to keep Methot, Turris, Karlsson, Zibanejad, Brassard, Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Dzingle and Ceci as well as some others that have drifted away.
- spatso

Just waiting for the shoe to drop and melnyuk to leave or become a minority partner

Just waiting for the shoe to drop and melnyuk to leave or become a minority partner
- kaptaan

If, as we assume, the Sens are to be recapitalized with Melnyk in a diminished (or non existent) role, we must also assume that the Sens actually represent more value without the big contracts on the books.

This will be counter intuitive for most hockey fans. But, what makes sense to the fan may not work for the investor.

Standard practice in preparing any business for sale is that you streamline costs, reduce payroll and get rid of "bad" contracts. None of this is about hockey. It is all about money.

Good article Trevor, I couldn't agree more.

while I'm a big advocate of the "most of this poop is Melnyk's fault" movement, I also think a large chunk of the blame should be put at Dorion's feet.

yes, he is handicapped by the owner, but he's made a TON of horrible moves that have had zero impact on the bottom line.

I think you could argue that since he took over as GM he's only "won" a single trade, and has been absolutely OWNED in pretty much every other deal he's made.....and I expect this trade deadline to be no different.

he absolutely needs to be fired, but Melnyk will never do it because Dorion is his little female dog, who tows the company line and never says or does anything except what melnyk says.

Good article Trevor, I couldn't agree more.

while I'm a big advocate of the "most of this poop is Melnyk's fault" movement, I also think a large chunk of the blame should be put at Dorion's feet.

yes, he is handicapped by the owner, but he's made a TON of horrible moves that have had zero impact on the bottom line.

I think you could argue that since he took over as GM he's only "won" a single trade, and has been absolutely OWNED in pretty much every other deal he's made.....and I expect this trade deadline to be no different.

he absolutely needs to be fired, but Melnyk will never do it because Dorion is his little female dog, who tows the company line and never says or does anything except what melnyk says.
- sensarmy_11

You make the assumption that Dorion's primary mandate is to win trades. I would suggest his primary mandate is to manage down the salary budget for players, get rid of long term financial commitments and do the best he can to stockpile future assets. In that regard, Melnyk is probably very happy with the results.

If you look a couple of years out. We are going to like this team. Getting there is incredibly painful.

Patrick Laine might be in play if the jets can sign Mark Stone..

Interesting...
- aries1976

Link?

The laine thing sounds like fake news

Patrick Laine might be in play if the jets can sign Mark Stone..

Interesting...
- aries1976

Ottawa won't take Laine for the simple reason that he'll end up costing more than either Stone or Duchene

also, why on earth would the Jets trade him in the middle of this slump.....they'd be selling low on the guy who has the 2nd most goals in the league over the last 3 years. that would be incredibly stupid, and Chevy isn't a stupid GM

If anything, you acquire Stone and stick him on a line with Laine. if anyone is going to bust that guy out of his slump, it's Stone. all he does is make people around him better.

Patrick Laine might be in play if the jets can sign Mark Stone..

Interesting...
- aries1976

The Sens can't afford Laine. The Sens can't afford to pay anyone really.

The "trolls" have been predicting this very situation for a few years now. They seemed to have been able to see the writing was on the wall

The Sens can't afford Laine. The Sens can't afford to pay anyone really.

The "trolls" have been predicting this very situation for a few years now. They seemed to have been able to see the writing was on the wall
- walshyleafsfan

Wrong.

It is the Sens fan base that was saying Melnyk could not meet payroll and was operating on the cheap.

Laine actually works for the Sens because he is struggling and will not get or expect a substantial contract at this time. However, Winnipeg has more interesting assets than Laine. Connor is the name you are hearing a lot.

The Sens can't afford Laine. The Sens can't afford to pay anyone really.

The "trolls" have been predicting this very situation for a few years now. They seemed to have been able to see the writing was on the wall
- walshyleafsfan

everyone has been saying this for a while.....sens fans (the ones who aren't completely delusional) have been saying it longer than anyone else. Yost was writing blogs about this very fact probably 4-5 seasons ago.

Wrong.

It is the Sens fan base that was saying Melnyk could not meet payroll and was operating on the cheap.

Laine actually works for the Sens because he is struggling and will not get or expect a substantial contract at this time. However, Winnipeg has more interesting assets than Laine. Connor is the name you are hearing a lot.
- spatso

Wrong.

Many Sens fans I've seen were adamant Stone would be re-signed. He loves it there apparently. Duchene was given about an 80% to resign. The "trolls" explained that Melnyk doesn't have a pot to piss in. Sens fans laughed and said just you wait and see.

The "trolls" have waited and seen, and it seems highly unlikely that either Stone or Duchene re-signs.

Unfortunately Melnyk is broke. We've known that for years. A large amount of Sens fans argued otherwise (your self included), which is understandable. We're now seeing what the majority of hockey fans saw years ago.

Laine will want to be paid at some point. The Sens can't afford to pay anyone. The Sens can't go through losing Laine and Chabot which they will, after these last few years.

everyone has been saying this for a while.....sens fans (the ones who aren't completely delusional) have been saying it longer than anyone else. Yost was writing blogs about this very fact probably 4-5 seasons ago.
- sensarmy_11

To be honest, I must've only seen the delusional fans, which seems like it makes up a large percentage of the fan base, because the majority of posts I've seen scoffed at the idea Stone and Duchene probably wouldn't re-sign

To be honest, I must've only seen the delusional fans, which seems like it makes up a large percentage of the fan base, because the majority of posts I've seen scoffed at the idea Stone and Duchene probably wouldn't re-sign
- walshyleafsfan

You have not been paying attention. Before the season started, many of us said that we did not expect Stone, Duchene or Dzingle to be resigned. It is not rocket science. After Karlsson was traded, Melnyk said 15 new players were going to be added to the Ottawa roster over the next year.

Wrong.

Many Sens fans I've seen were adamant Stone would be re-signed. He loves it there apparently. Duchene was given about an 80% to resign. The "trolls" explained that Melnyk doesn't have a pot to piss in. Sens fans laughed and said just you wait and see.

The "trolls" have waited and seen, and it seems highly unlikely that either Stone or Duchene re-signs.

Unfortunately Melnyk is broke. We've known that for years. A large amount of Sens fans argued otherwise (your self included), which is understandable. We're now seeing what the majority of hockey fans saw years ago.

Laine will want to be paid at some point. The Sens can't afford to pay anyone. The Sens can't go through losing Laine and Chabot which they will, after these last few years.
- walshyleafsfan

This is all about Melnyk and the recapitalization of the team. It is about money and nothing else. There is only one issue that really matters and that is the orderly transition to new ownership.

Long before it was fashionable I stated clearly that Melnyk was broke..no qualification. For at least three years I have stated that the only thing that matters is moving on from Melnyk. Everything else is secondary.

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What an lololol moment. I feel better about my oilers now. Should have let brady go last year instead.

What an lololol moment. I feel better about my oilers now. Should have let brady go last year instead.
- oil90

Be very hard to find many Sens fans that would agree with you on Brady.

Oilers are deep into rebuild that is collapsing. Sens are just beginning rebuild. What the Sens are doing looks ugly. What the Oilers have done is criminal.

I guess a large part of how people react to this situation has more to do with their expectations from the beginning of the season.

I have never believed the Sens would resign any of Stone, Duchene, Dzingle or Ceci.

The slippery Melnyk actually made a mistake in his Borowiecki interview when he broke down and in a moment of weakness he actually told the truth. Specifically, up to 15 players will be gone from the starting roster.

For me, this has always been about ownership in general and LeBreton in particular. If you are surprised by any of this, perhaps you were not paying attention.

If you are a potential buyer of the Sens, you just love the books and the fact that there are no long term contingent liabilities that need be assumed on the transfer of ownership.

To suggest the Sens have not planned well or outcomes are different than expected is nonsense. Everything was calculated, including wanting to dupe fans into believing they really wanted to keep Methot, Turris, Karlsson, Zibanejad, Brassard, Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Dzingle and Ceci as well as some others that have drifted away.
- spatso

I think you give them too much credit in the last statement. I get your point, but I beleive they just mismanaged the assets....just a bit of understatement. This all points to one big issue. Melnyk doesn’t have the cash to compete. Or if he does he won’t spend it. While teams like Toronto can float monster bonus structures, Melnyk doesn’t have that capital to compete. He can’t afford to pay Stone and Duchene 15 million in bonus’s up front. The guy has to refinance to just make payroll.
He’ll sell because the debt will become to large....your bang on about getting the big contracts off the books in order to make the team look more affordable. Throw in the new arena and all of a sudden Melnyk’s price tag will go through the roof. Ottawa fans just have to hope the new owner buys the team for the right reasons.

This is all about Melnyk and the recapitalization of the team. It is about money and nothing else. There is only one issue that really matters and that is the orderly transition to new ownership.

Long before it was fashionable I stated clearly that Melnyk was broke..no qualification. For at least three years I have stated that the only thing that matters is moving on from Melnyk. Everything else is secondary.
- spatso

What an lololol moment. I feel better about my oilers now. Should have let brady go last year instead.
- oil90

You should....their owner sold Rexall last year for 3 billion (less the debt). And has his new arena in place. Oh and he has Mcdavid. His big, big, big mistake was handing the key’s over to Chiarelli....but they have the $ with the new shiny building to build a winner...they just have to find the “right” hockey guy to do it.

What an lololol moment. I feel better about my oilers now. Should have let brady go last year instead.
- oil90

How can you feel better after so many first picks, no money issues but no results?

Sorry bro, your team is a bigger train wreck

If it makes you feel better it would of been

-Shane Bowers
-Sam Girard
-Vladislav Kamenev (or lesser prospect/pick)
-2018 Nashville Second round pick ** (Filip Hallander)
-2019 own first round pick
-2018 own third round pick